boss told me my dresses need to be longer, I wish my job would just fire me already, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. My boss told me my dresses need to be longer

My line manager told me yesterday that there had been “comments made” about how short / inappropriate my dresses are in the office, as a member of the team who is front-facing for clients. I was asked to not wear these outfits in the office any longer.

These comments have utterly humiliated me, and I spent about an hour crying on my way home. I have always dressed fairly modestly at work and am deeply uncomfortable with my body being perceived as being “on display.” My dresses are long-sleeved, with skirts that stop just above my knee. They are conventional office wear. I prefer dresses and skirts over trousers, as the medications I take have made my stomach quite bloated, and I find tight waistbands uncomfortable. But I was told they need to be longer as I’m greeting clients (as my work wear was just above the knee already, my presumption is that longer means to the knee or below).

It’s a very male heavy office, so what other women wear is split between trousers and skirts that are above the knee or to the knee. My line manager was wearing an above-the-knee dress the day after telling me my outfits were too short.

After looking at my work wardrobe, I estimate I’m going to have to get replace nearly 80% to get to these new standards — of dresses and skirts to the knee or lower — while also managing the other restrictions that are placed on women’s wear at our office. For instance, I’m not allowed to wear a sleeveless blouse because our male directors decided they are not professional for women. This is while the men in our office can meet with clients in hoodies or polo shirts.

I simply don’t understand why my clothing is an issue 16 months into working here.Am I being unreasonable or is this unfair? Is this something I should speak to my union about?

Yes, you should absolutely speak to your union. Something here doesn’t make sense — skirts and dresses to just above the knee aren’t unprofessional or inappropriate work wear, and that goes triple in an office where a bunch of other people are wearing them, including the manager who told you that you couldn’t. “You’re client-facing” doesn’t make sense as an explanation. Is there anything else that could explain why you’re getting this feedback and others aren’t? Sometimes this happens when you’re the only one in your office with a particular body shape (which doesn’t make it okay), and I wonder if that’s in play here.

Ideally you’d go back to your manager and ask for clarification — including explicitly asking if she is telling you that your skirts must be below the knee, and pointing out that all your skirts are currently the same length as the ones you see other women in your office wearing. But since you have a union, pull them in for advice too.

2. CEO sends a delusional AI-generated image of himself with every email

As a mere lower-level staffer, I am certain there is nothing I can do about this issue, but perhaps you have some ideas.

The CEO has begun to attach an AI-generated image of himself to every email he sends out. The images are universally more handsome than the real thing. No more receding hairline, or stomach fat. Plenty of bicep muscles. Not a wrinkle in sight.

This is cringe behaviour, and staff mock him for it behind his back. While I am not personally invested in helping him save face, I do want to stop being forced to look at these unprofessional, inaccurate portraits. Especially since the workplace is a public library, where one would hope to avoid misinformation.

No, this is amazing and you must not try to stop it!

And that’s fortunate, because there’s almost certainly nothing you can do about it anyway. If you were, say, a senior communications staffer or his right-hand person or otherwise a trusted confidant, you could attempt to diplomatically address it, but assuming you are none of those things and therefore have no real standing or obligation to take this on, the only correct response is to sit back and bask in the utter absurdity of it.

Is it a problem for his credibility? Yes! Is it your problem? No.

You can just enjoy the spectacle.

3. I wish my board would just fire me already

I am the chief executive of a small nonprofit and I report to a board, and I have been on a performance improvement plan (PIP) for the past four months. The PIP is full of things that are untrue and half true, along with some things that could legitimately be improved. The PIP was my first notice of any of those gripes that the board (or rather, a few members of the executive committee) had about me, my work, and, more pointedly, my personality.

The first PIP was supposed to be 60 days. They had no objective success measure in it and missed over half the weekly check-ins we had scheduled. They are having a lawyer handle everything for them, so I didn’t receive a determination about the PIP until a couple weeks ago when they gave me another PIP with a 60-day extension. This document, even more than the first one, has things in it explaining where I am failing to meet expectations that I was unaware of and were not part of the job previously.

At this point, it is clear that at least two of the board members just don’t like me and want to fire me, which is completely within their power to do. I have sincerely done what I can to meet their expectations, but I can’t and won’t change my personality or pretend to be someone I am not. And this job has turned into something different than what I was hired for.

I have been looking for a new job since the process started, but it is not easy at this level and I can’t afford to be without an income or I would have quit already. How do I have the conversation with them expressing my desire to leave along with my need to be eligible for unemployment benefits?

Frame it this way: “It’s clear to me that you’re unhappy with my work and I want to be realistic about my chances for success here and not drag out the process, so I’d like to propose a managed separation with a transition that will be as smooth as possible for both of us. I’d ask that you not contest my unemployment benefits since it sounds like I was likely to be let go at the end of this process anyway, but beyond that I’m flexible about what this could look like in terms of timing and messaging.” They are likely to hear this with relief.

You might also consider whether you have an argument to request severance, if they’re now defining success in the role differently than what you were brought on to do.

4. Requiring 15+ hours of outside reading per week

I am curious to your take on a job listing I recently came across. There is an indie bookshop in my city that is looking for booksellers — basically part-time retail work, $12/hour starting wage, nothing atypical for the area.

Amongst the qualifications and job duties listed, alongside needing 3+ years experience as a bookseller and “associates or better” degree, I noticed something that seemed super wild. “Booksellers are required to spend an additional 15+ hours a week reading recent releases and bestsellers to stay up to date on merchandise and better assist customers.”

(I am assuming the 15+ hours of reading homework is unpaid, but I could be wrong; this is a very hipster bookshop that I like to visit now and then but would never work at personally, so I haven’t inquired further or anything.)

Is this as bonkers as it sounds to me? Or does this sound more like “continuing education” and is pretty reasonable to expect?

As a general rule, if outside reading is required for non-exempt employees, they need to be paid for that time. There are exceptions for things like continuing education required to maintain a license, but booksellers aren’t licensed.

They’d be better off saying that they’re looking for employees who already maintain a deep knowledge of recent releases and bestsellers and who will maintain that knowledge going forward — and then screening for dedicated readers of recent releases (which is different from just being a voracious reader in general) in their interview process — instead of presenting it like a job duty with a specific number of hours attached.

5. I was fired from my last job, then didn’t work for several years — how do I explain it in interviews?

I was fired from my job several years ago. Due to a combination of burnout and undiagnosed depression, I effectively went AWOL and didn’t do anything about anything until it was too late, and I’m trying to re-enter the job market now. I have a resume gap of several years, my previous job loss was entirely my fault, and it’s been a very long time since I had to do any kind of job searching.

How do I write a resume to cover this particular ground? And, in the event of an interview, any advice on how to answer the inevitable question of what I was doing while unemployed? (The honest answer is nothing, while trying to claw my way out of a mental health hole.”)

You don’t address it on a resume at all; that’s the place to highlight your work history and accomplishments. In an interview, the language you want is: “I’ve been dealing with a health issue that is now resolved and I’m excited to return to work.” You don’t need to say more than that; they’re not supposed to ask for details, and it explains why you left the last job as well as what you’ve been doing since then.

our jobs have wide salary ranges — how can we be up-front about that without every candidate expecting the top of the range?

Two questions, similar answers. The first one:

I am hiring my first ever direct report, and I live in a salary transparency state. My HR department notified me that, legally, you have to post the entire salary range possible for the role and you cannot limit it to your preferred hiring range. This puts me, as the hiring manager, in a tough spot because candidates see a range of $75,000-110,000 and immediately believe one of two things:

1) They can start at $110,000 if they meet the basic requirements or
2) The role automatically starts at $75,000 and I’m a horrible hiring manager for pricing it so low (yes, I got that comment on the job posting)

The reality is, the $75,000 is for someone who would barely meet the requirements and would need a lot of training/hand-holding, and $105,000 means you have many, many years of experience and are at the complete top of your game with no room for growth. I don’t even make the top of my salary range. Are there better ways to explain this on a job posting, or is it just what it is?

The second one:

I am 100% in favor of salary range transparency. I’m in Connecticut, which requires employers to share a salary range at some point during the hiring process, but we have made it our policy to do it from the start like many other states now require. In general, this has been good at making sure that we are spending our time on strong candidates who are comfortable with the stated range and has significantly reduced having a mismatch of expectations at the very end. But, I’m running into an unintended consequence that I’m not sure how to deal with.

In education, salaries are generally dictated by years of relevant experience and the degrees a teacher holds. Our school has some autonomy on salaries, so there are merit increases and teachers in hard-to-fill positions that make more, which means we do not have a set salary schedule to publish. So when we post a position, the actual range could be, for example, $50,000, for a brand new teacher with a bachelor’s degree and no previous experience, all the way to $120,000, for a veteran teacher with a master’s degree. If that is the range we publish, candidates assume they’ll be able to negotiate to the higher end. We’ve thought about publishing a tigher range like $70,000-100,000, but then that would be too high for new teachers and too low for veteran teachers who might opt not to apply at all.

How can we be authentic and still set clear expectations when we often have to just enter a numeric range and cannot offer more context or a public salary schedule?

In both cases, and in all cases like this, the way to handle this is to lean into the transparency that you’ve already started with and take it a step further by spelling out what you explained here.

For example:

“The salary range for this position is $75,000-110,000, with the low end of that range for candidates who match the low end of the listed experience range and where we would expect to invest significantly in your training and the high end for extremely experienced candidates (X years or more doing Y) who would be function at a senior level with significant autonomy. Most hires fall in the middle of that range.”

Or:

“We’re open to several different versions of this role — junior, mid-level, or senior. For the junior role, we’re seeking (list qualifications) with a salary range of $A-B. For the mid-level role, we’re seeking (list qualifications) with a salary range of $C-D. For the more senior version of the role, we’re seeking (list qualifications) with a salary range of $E-F. We encourage you to apply if you meet any of these profiles.”

Or:

“The salary range for this position varies heavily based on experience and education. A candidate with no previous teaching experience typically starts around $50,000; a veteran teacher with a master’s degree may earn $120,000.”

You can also address it openly when you have your first conversation with candidates, like in a phone screen: “For candidates with your level of experience in X, you’d be in the $X-Y part of our salary range.” Then they know and can decide if they want to continue or not. In fact, you could even include a line like this in your job posting after the suggested language above: “If you are unsure where you might fall in that range, please apply and we will discuss it early on in our hiring process.”

Regardless of how clear you are, you will always get people who are convinced they should come in at the top of your range without much basis for it, but by spelling it out like this — and especially by giving them tailored info about where they would fall in your range early on in a phone screen — you’ll mitigate a lot of it.

my coworker keeps giving me unsolicited advice

A reader writes:

I’m about six months into a job and I’m having an issue with someone on my team, Sally. She is very lovely, kind, and a team player. Our roles are similar, except I am part-time and she is full-time. She’s been in this job for almost 20 years and I think she thinks I’m much more green than I am. While I’m new to my role, I’ve done very similar, and often much more complex, versions of this role at other organizations. Our team’s projects are similar and we help each other as needed, but at the end of the day they are fully owned by each team member.

Sally seems to think there is one right way to do things and only she knows what it is. She seems incapable of talking about my projects with me without giving me unsolicited advice.

She assumes any minor negative thing I share about a project is an invitation to give me advice, and often it’s for the most obvious or little thing! Like, I shared that I had a presenter for clients go over time and I had to cut them off. She then harped on the same strategies I had used as if I hadn’t handled it. This happens all the time. I bring up a slight annoyance or a “not quite to plan” moment that I’ve encountered or even fixed, and she’ll run with it as a “teachable” moment for me. Or, I’ll share how I’ve spoken to a client and she’ll give me advice on what she thinks I should have said, and usually it’s the same information just delivered how she would deliver it. For example, I told a client, “Widget A has these aspects that would suit your needs.” She suggested I should have instead said, “The individual components of widget A would work really well for you.” This rephrasing happens constantly and it feels like she’s trying to push her personality/style on the way I talk. And if I ask her a clarifying question on one aspect of a client communication, she will try to dictate an entire email to me.

Our desks are right next to each other, and we’re both a bit chatty. And in all other ways we have a very friendly relationship! Most of our conversations start because she directly asks how a project went/is going.

How do I kindly get her to back off a bit? I’ve tried just being toxically positive about all of my projects and not sharing anything of substance, but she always asks a ton of follow-up questions or even just gives blanket advice. And you know, sometimes I do just want to share when something didn’t 100% go to plan because that’s the nature of the work we do, and often those minor failures make for good and silly stories!

I recognize that I sought out this role because I had a baby and wanted something low-key, so maybe I’m overly sensitive to her advice because I already feel “overqualified” for my position. But the constant advice is grating, and makes me feel like Sally thinks I can’t handle the work I do or haven’t thought very deeply about it.

You can read my answer to this letter at New York Magazine today. Head over there to read it.

how much paid time off do you get?

Earlier this month was the annual Ask a Manager salary survey. This week, let’s compare paid time off.

Fill out the form below to anonymously share how much paid time off you get, in the context of your field and other relevant factors. (Do not leave your info in the comments section! If you can’t see the survey questions, try this link instead.)

When you’re done, you can view all the responses in a sortable spreadsheet.

(Note: I have been unable to figure out how to make this work for jobs like teachers who get summers off but will happily take suggestions on that for next time.)

boss doesn’t want to give me a bonus because I’m leaving soon, candidate’s resume has different job titles than LinkedIn does, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. My boss doesn’t want to give me a bonus because I’m leaving soon

I am moving soon to another state and leaving my agency to be closer to family. I really don’t want to leave and neither does my boss. He even advocated for me to stay on as fully remote, but his boss and HR said no; the agency has a new strict policy that doesn’t allow employees to be fully remote. I have no choice but to resign.

Coincidentally, my annual performance review is due shortly before the time my lease is up and I have to leave my job. My annual reviews have always come with a bonus, so I’m expecting a lump sum payment that will help cover some of the costs of moving. I’ve been somewhat transparent with my boss about my plans on leaving, but I have not given him an exact resignation date yet because I’m still in the process of finding new employment and coordinating the move so the dates are not yet set in stone.

I have been pushing my boss to get my performance review done so I can feel secure knowing that money is on the way. When I asked him for an update, he was vague and made it seem like he wasn’t sure if it would be approved because his boss and HR know I’m leaving soon. So I asked him if he himself is resistant to giving me a bonus because he knows I’m leaving soon and he said yes because it “doesn’t come off as a good financial decision” to give a chunk of money to an employee who is leaving. I argued that this is my reward for my performance of last year to now, so that money should be paid to me anyway. Plus, I haven’t submitted a resignation letter yet, so technically I’m not leaving until that is made official.

I can say with confidence that I earned a bonus this year and it doesn’t feel fair to be withheld a bonus because I’ll be gone a month or so after it’s paid. I think anyone else in my position would also try to leave with as much as they could. Am I asking for too much or is my timing just bad?

Your timing is bad. It’s very common for companies not to pay bonuses to people who have made it clear they’re leaving soon. You see the bonus as compensation for work you’ve already done, but employers see bonuses as a retention strategy and very often won’t give them if you’ve told them you’re leaving. That’s not always the case; some organizations handle it differently (and for some, the bonus is contractually obligated). But it’s the case enough of the time that it’s an established thing for people to need to delay their exits (and any discussion of their exits) until after a bonus is paid out.

You can certainly make the argument for a bonus as compensation for work already done if you want to — but from what your boss is saying, your company is unlikely to give it to you.

2. When a candidate’s resume has different job titles than LinkedIn does

I’m screening resumes for a role. For anonymity’s sake, let’s say it’s a teapot designer, and we’re looking for five years of designer experience. Many people in designer roles first spend time as teapot painters, and while that experience is valuable, designer is a more expansive, senior role.

On a few occasions now, I’ve looked at resumes that appear strong, with several past designer roles, but when I click through to the applicant’s LinkedIn profile, I see these are actually painter roles, and they’ve changed the titles on their resume. When they’ve done this across the board and have no actual designer experience, I can easily screen them out. But sometimes I’m finding it’s a mix — their current role is in fact a designer role, but previous designer roles were actually painter roles. If they’d been truthful on their application, I would’ve screened them in! But now I feel like I have to screen out these candidates because they’re embellishing their applications.

Am I being too harsh? Is this the red flag I think it is? I feel for applicants in this difficult job market, but I just can’t get past the false titles on the resume, and I’m not sure how I’d explain to my boss that I’m screening in people who don’t have the experience they claim to, even if their actual experience is solid. (Also, these applicants are willingly handing over their LinkedIn links. Do they think we won’t notice the discrepancies between their profile and their application? What am I missing here?)

If they’re people who you otherwise would have advanced, it’s worth doing a phone screen with them to clarify — where you’d ask directly, “I saw your resume calls your current job ’teapot designer’ but on LinkedIn you list it as a ’teapot painter’ role. Which is correct?” Give them a chance to elaborate — because while I can’t speak for what’s common in the teapot industry, there a lot of people have titles that don’t accurately reflect the work they’re doing, and it’s not unheard of for people to try to clarify by using a more accurately descriptive title on their resumes. That might not be what’s happening here; this might just be people trying to finesse their experience into something it isn’t. But it’s worth talking to at least a handful and finding out, to inform your thinking going forward.

If it turns out to be a straight-up lie — they’re just flagrantly misrepresenting their experience to try to get their foot in the door — that’s prohibitive. But if someone says, “I started out doing painting, but for the last two years I’ve been doing the designer job and my company never updated my title,” I wouldn’t hold that against them.

But also, if you’re just doing the initial resume screen before passing resumes on to your boss (and you’re the person doing the phone screens), you should have this conversation with her to get aligned on how to handle it. She may not know you’re seeing this and may have her own opinions about how she wants you to handle it.

3. People misspell my name

I have a fairly straightforward issue that I’m sure you’ve run into as well — my name gets misspelled on emails! I have a fairly common name that has a fairly understandable misspelling (think “Anglea” instead of “Angela”). While this is easy for me to correct internally, how does one go about correcting this for people outside of our organization?

I work in a company where I regularly interact with people from client companies asking for my services, and yes, my name is in my email signature! So far, I’ve been happy to just ignore it and reply to the email content itself, but is there anything you would recommend to “repeat offenders”?

Personally, as someone with a name that frequently gets misspelled, I just ignore it. I have decided that life is less stressful when I just don’t care unless it’s someone who’s close to me.

That said, if it bothers you and someone has done it multiple times, it’s fine to just matter-of-factly say at the end of your next reply, “By the way, it’s Angela, not Anglea!” (But expect this still won’t completely solve it.)

4. Should I tell my boss my commute is only doable if we remain hybrid?

I’m a very highly valued executive assistant for a very senior partner in a law firm.

I know eventually my work is going to consider changing our remote work policy to only allow us to work from home one day a week. My commute is 75 minutes each way. It’s a pretty relaxing commute, and I did not mind it at all before I had a baby. However, with a baby it’s only doable because I only have to go in three days a week.

Is it risky to verbalize to my boss and HR that if they ever increased the amount of days in office required, I would have to look for a new job in my own city? I don’t think my job would it be at risk; they’re lost without me and I always have top reviews each year, but am I being naive? My boss isn’t the managing partner at the firm but is very senior and her word has a lot of power. I feel like she should know that one of her most valued employees can only stay because of the current benefits offered with remote work. I really love my job and really love working for my boss I don’t want to leave my job but would absolutely have to if they increased the days in office required.

In your shoes, I’d have a conversation with your boss right now (not with HR) and say something like, “Is your sense that the firm is likely to stick with our current hybrid policy or that they might increase the number of in-office days required at some point? I’m asking because I love my job and I love working for you, but the commute is only doable right now because I only need to do it three days a week.”

Since you’re highly valued, that’s not terribly risky to say. And since she has a lot of capital herself, arm her now with the info she needs if a change ever does start to get discussed. That doesn’t mean they still won’t do it, but at least they won’t be surprised by what it means for you if they do.

5. Employees donating to their own organization in memory of a colleague

My mom worked for a nonprofit for many years. When she passed away, we asked for donations to the nonprofit in her memory. Several of the donations they received were from her colleagues, who still worked for the organization. My sister thinks it’s weird they’d donate to their own employer. I don’t. Who’s right?

I’ve worked at nonprofits where some employees donated simply because they felt strongly about the mission (truly of their own volition, with no pressure from the organization to do it) and were proud to be donors. So I don’t think it’s weird, particularly since these colleagues were honoring her in the specific way your family requested.

callers think I’m AI

A reader writes:

I recently moved across the country to be closer to my partner’s extended family. We went from a large metropolitan area to a smaller town, where I transitioned to a new industry. My new job entails answering the phone, which, frankly, is something I have always excelled at. However, for whatever reason (geography, industry, or the simple increased prevalence of AI), I’m now confronted several times each day by people who assume that I am AI. Their reactions range from treating me as non-human (gruffly yelling, “GET AN ESTIMATE!”) to questioning my humanity (“Are you real?”) to hanging up and calling back several times before asking to speak to a “real human.”

While I admit that I have a professional-sounding voice and a theater background, my phone voice is not in the least over the top. I’ve worked in nine cities in five U.S. states, and this has never been an issue before (which makes me think this is due to the increased use of AI). But how do I handle it?

When people assume I’m AI and address me as such, I generally try not to sound offended and then say something (a little joke or phrase) that makes them realize I’m not AI. I also have several amusing responses to “Are you real?” that clients seem to enjoy. But the last situation drives me a bit nuts, mostly because customers are fairly angry by the time they finally realize that I am flesh and blood.

A few people have even scolded me, suggesting that I explicitly state that I am human, but this seems strange because, legally in our area (and maybe everywhere), AI is required to identify itself.

Do you have any tips for how to handle this? It got better when I caught a cold, but I don’t want to be permanently phlegm-filled. Even when I tone it way down (to a point that would sound unprofessional in my former job), I still encounter this. Other than eating, swearing, coughing/sneezing, or loudly chewing gum (none of which I would ever intentionally do), how do I make people recognize that I am human? Do I really need to say it? And why is this happening now?

It’s happening now because there’s been an explosion in companies using AI for frontline customer service and people are irritated by it because it so often sucks. They’ve had frustrating experiences with AI customer service previously, so they’re primed to be irritated when they think they’ve encountered it again.

That’s no excuse for people being rude, particularly right off the bat when you haven’t given them any reason to think they’re dealing with AI. But that’s why it’s happening.

Could this be an opportunity to put your theater training to use? Can you experiment in using “tells” that very quickly identify you as obviously human? I’m not sure what would work best — and it would be weird to, for example, fake a southern accent or something else that might read differently than standard AI talk — but a cough, a word stumble, a different intonation … who knows? It might be an interesting challenge to A/B test it and see if you can figure out what works!

email signatures gone wild

A workplace email signature is normally the most forgettable part of a message — just a name, a title, a phone number, and maybe a logo dutifully appended by IT. It’s boilerplate by design, stripped of personality and meant to fade into the background.

But when employers give workers more freedom to personalize email signatures, they can quickly get retaliatory, overly personal, or just downright weird. At Slate today, I wrote about some email signatures gone very wild. You can read it here.

my employee is abrasive — can I ask others to be patient while I coach her?

A reader writes:

I work at a university managing the production aspects of the theater. I manage five staff members and one of them, Jane, can be hard to work with.

She can be quite abrasive and abrupt, and I have already had several meetings with her to address the harsh tone she uses. She started this year and comes from a professional background where she needed to be very assertive in her role or she would not have been able to get anything done. Her job now requires lots of student interaction and direction and she is speaking to them like she would these professional crew members she encountered in the past and some of the students feel like she is disrespecting and talking down to them.

On top of this, she manages two other staff members who have stated to me privately that they are finding it extremely hard to work for her because of the way she speaks to them. The chair of the department has even mentioned once or twice how he was taken aback by how she spoke to him.

She does not single anyone out, and does take my feedback and is improving, but she has a long way to go before she is where I think she needs to be.

Other than her tone, I am happy with the quality of the work she does. Her department has tackled some major projects this year with flying colors but she just rubs people the wrong way. I am worried she will drive students away because she will get (and is already getting) a reputation as being disrespectful and unpleasant to work for.

How much can I push her to change what seems to be a genuine personality trait? It does not feel fair to me to expect her to change so much and not also expect her subordinates and the students to meet her halfway. Am I wrong to think this is a two-way street and should counsel people to be patient with her as we work on improving? We have our reviews coming up and I plan to discuss this with her and her subordinate separately, I am just not sure how much to push her to change.

This is the first time I’ve had to manage a subordinate with the combination of great work but bad personality and I would appreciate any guidance.

First things first: I’m assuming that you’ve witnessed what people are talking about and Jane truly is being excessively abrupt or harsh, and this isn’t just people bristling at a woman being no-nonsense in a way they wouldn’t if she were a man. If the latter is what’s happening, you have a different problem to deal with, but based on what you’ve described, I’m guessing that’s not the case. So with that caveat in place…

The fact that something is a genuine personality trait doesn’t make it inherently okay to indulge it at work or mean that managers and colleagues are obligated to overlook it. After all, some people’s personalities include extreme grumpiness or impatience, or unwillingness to make decisions, or dismissiveness, or a mocking sense of humor, or quickness to anger. “That’s just who she is” doesn’t make those behaviors okay at work; they’re still things that an employee needs to rein in and a manager needs to address, because they’re disruptive and will impact other people’s quality of life and make them not want to work with the person.

Jane being curt and abrasive to the point that people don’t want to work with her is a work problem, not just a personality trait. It’s absolutely your business — and really, your job — to address it with her and to hold her accountable for changing it.

That would be true regardless, but there’s additional urgency here because Jane works with students — and presumably your team can’t be successful if it’s driving off students or quenching their love of theater.

Nor should you ask students and colleagues to “meet her halfway,” just as you (hopefully) wouldn’t ask them to meet a yeller or a harasser halfway. When someone is engaged in behavior that should be off-limits at work, asking others to meet them halfway out of a sense of fairness is actually profoundly unfair and would be an awfully demoralizing thing to do to people with less power than her (like students or any employees who are junior to her) … and for everyone else, it’s highly likely to make them question your judgment.

The message to Jane needs to be: “We’ve talked about this previously but it’s continuing and I need to see real change. You cannot speak to students or other staff members with the tone you’ve been using. In order to remain in this role, you need people to want to work with you and if they leave interactions with you feeling disrespected or dismissed, they won’t want to approach you again.” Ideally you’d ground this in specific examples to the extent that you can (like, “When you Michael asked you for X, you rolled your eyes and used a dismissive tone” or whatever specifics you can give).

If Jane isn’t able to incorporate this feedback and make significant changes very soon, you should start considering the reality that she may not be well-suited for this particular role. “Students and colleagues feel supported when working with you and aren’t afraid to approach you” is as much a reasonable requirement of the job as anything else about her work is.

More on this here:

my employee identifies proudly as a grump

can a manager lead a Bible study, asking an interviewer about their awful online reviews, and more

It’s five answers to five questions. Here we go…

1. Can a manager lead a Bible study?

I am a mid-level supervisor for a state government agency. While I directly supervise several employees, about half of the employees in my section directly report to my manager, “Michael.” He, in turn, reports to “David” and “Jan,” who are the chief and the second-in-command. There are several other sections within our agency that do separate work, and those sections have their own corresponding Michaels, who also report to David and Jan.

Hypothetically (I do not have any plans to do this currently), given the fact that I supervise some employees, would it be inappropriate for me to organize a Bible study, book club where we read a religious book, etc., which would occur, say, over lunch?

On the one hand, my religion is extremely important to me and my religious beliefs aren’t exactly a secret. (For example, I told a coworker who lost a family member that I would pray for them, because I know they follow the same religion as me.)

However, I would not want anyone, especially those I supervise, to think that their participation (or lack thereof) in this sort of activity is being encouraged by me by virtue of my position. That is, I wouldn’t want there to be any pressure for people to participate because someone in management is doing it. Does the fact that I only supervise a handful of people when there are well over 100 employees in our agency, many of whom do entirely separate work from me, make a difference?

No, a manager should not organize any kind of religious discussion at work. No matter how sincere you are in saying that people who attend wouldn’t get favorable treatment from you, some of your staff will still worry that they will and/or will feel pressured to participate and/or will find it unfair that people are getting extra networking opportunities with you based on a shared religious practice. And frankly, it would be unfair — that is an extra networking opportunity with you, and it shouldn’t be open only to people willing to talk about religion with you (or be based around religion at all).

2. Can I ask an interviewer about their terrible customer reviews?

After being laid off a month ago, I’m in the early stages of interviewing for a learning and development role at a midsize corporation. Unlike my last job, where I was creating customer-facing trainings, this role would entail creating internal trainings on a wide range of topics, which is much more aligned with my long-term career goals. However, when I was researching the company, I discovered that the service the company provides garners VERY low customer ratings (as in, 1.4 stars on Google reviews and Yelp and an enormous pile of Better Business Bureau complaints). While of course I realize that these online reviews don’t reflect the good experiences (there must be some, right?), I was appalled by some of the claims people were making.

Right now, I’m leaning toward not moving forward in the interview process, as I’m not desperate for a job (yet!) and I am reluctant to work for a company that seems to have no compunction about scamming its customers. But there is a part of me that is curious as to how they would respond if I asked them about those reviews — I mean, maybe they’re working to address the issues. I have been considering asking something like, “I have seen some online reviews where customers are really unhappy with Company’s services. I know that people who are happy with Company aren’t likely to go online to rave about it, but I was wondering what steps Company takes to address customer feedback and how your customer service reps fit into the vision you have for the L&D team.” Or something along those lines. Is that totally unhinged? Should I just cut and run now?

It’s not unhinged at all. That’s a pretty normal question to ask in this context, and they’ve probably been asked it before! They’re aware of their reviews, and they’re aware (some) candidates will be too. Your wording isn’t particularly aggressive or adversarial; it’s reasonable.

That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t cut and run. But if you’d otherwise be interested in the job, go to the next interview and ask.

Related:
asking a company about its bad reputation in an interview

3. Should I tell a former coworker that someone is talking smack about them?

I had a job recently where we were a team of seven, including the system admin, Amanda. Her attendance was sporadic, but didn’t really affect the rest of us. I felt like whatever arrangements she had with our team’s leadership were none of our business.

The front-end guy, Kevin, and I talked regularly, and he’d often talk junk about her. He’d regularly make comments to me like, “Well, what the hell does Amanda do all day? Why don’t we see her on X date?” It made me uncomfortable because neither of us was Amanda’s supervisor and I felt it was none of our business as it didn’t affect our jobs in the slightest.

Now that I’m no longer there, should I warn Amanda that Kevin was talking junk about her? Why or why not? Does it make a difference if I got fired for an unrelated reason? (It was my fault, and I own it.)

Are you close with Amanda and do you consider her a friend? If so, sure, you could go ahead and tell her — if you think she needs to know that Kevin is potentially stirring up drama that could affect her. If you’d just be telling her on principle and not because it potentially could have repercussions for her, then no; in that case I’d leave it alone since there’s no point in getting involved when you’re not even there anymore.

And if you’re not close with Amanda, then there’s nothing to do. You’re no longer there and that office’s issues don’t need to take up any space in your brain (and it risks coming across as odd and drama-stirring to contact someone you’re not close to after leaving to share something like this).

4. Expected to show up in person even when we don’t need to

I’m a teacher in an independent school, and I love my job, for many reasons. However, my colleagues and I get frustrated by the administration’s expectations regarding our working hours. Like essentially all teachers, we work quite a bit outside of school hours; we work before school, after school, evenings, weekends, and on breaks. That’s just part of being a teacher. We are salaried, and sometimes we are required to stay after school or be at school in the evening for meetings, events, Parents’ Nights, graduations, etc. Also part of the job.

What’s frustrating is that the administration and HR tell us that we have to be on campus for a particular eight hours a day (even when not teaching) and sometimes even on days with no classes or meetings. As teachers, we are a pretty highly educated bunch; most have advanced degrees and could earn a lot more in other industries. It feels kind of disrespectful of our time and dedication for us to be told that we have to be on campus when nothing is scheduled, and it feels inconsistent with other jobs for salaried professionals. What are your thoughts?

Yes, it’s disrespectful of your time, your obvious commitment to the work, and the amount of additional hours you put in over and above a normal work week. It’s also pretty par for the course in teaching, unfortunately, which is still very much a “you need to be in the building to be seen to be working” culture from what I understand.

5. Is it legal for a job ad to set a limit on years of professional experience?

I recently read on your site that requiring someone to be a recent graduate could quality as age discrimination. I’ve seen a company director posting a job on LinkedIn (not an ad, a post from their regular profile) saying the job only accepts people with a maximum amount of professional experience of five years. This is in the U.S., so doesn’t this open them up to age discrimination? While they work in an field I’m not interested in, I am nearing 50 with decades of “professional experience” and it really sounds like it is a statement of “old people need not apply.”

Yes, it absolutely opens them up to liability for age discrimination. I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t find that language in the actual HR-approved ad (because they know better) and this guy, in writing his own message, let the truth about who they prefer slip out.

weekend open thread – April 25-26, 2026

Grendel and new friend

This comment section is open for any non-work-related discussion you’d like to have with other readers, by popular demand.

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Book recommendation of the week: How to be Good, by Nick Hornby. When her husband suddenly becomes saintly, a woman and her kids must cope with the pressure. (Amazon, Bookshop)

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